The CIA articles that the NYTimes and others published, as divergence to Sy's expose, were ridiculous. I can't remember where I read the total and utter annihilation of that NYT article, with the purported rented small yacht captained by Ukrainians that, of course, Zelensky knew nothing about. The NYT is such a propaganda rag. When I hear purportedly intelligent people believing those obvious spook stories, I just want to tear my hair out!!!
I like to tell people that the NYT has supported every single US war, even the invasion of Panama which killed 6000 people. And for what? To arrest a rogue CIA tool.
That should be all that anyone needs to know! (there's tonnes more dirt on them of course)
It's actually mortifying after living my life totally in a bubble for many years to see how much propaganda we've been spoon-fed. I feel bad for my formerly ignorant self. It took the bankers trying to steal my home to awaken me to the governments crimes and that the government is in bed with actions perpetrated by other crooks, like Wall Street. Jamie Dimon even says in his Annual Report letter that the government is a "silent partner" to JPMC. The U.S. is best at exporting financial crimes and war. Other than that, the U.S. produces nothing.
We live immersed in an ocean of very clever, infinitely repeated lies and deliberate disinformation. Most people don't have the time, or the interest, to try and peel it all back. And if they do try, their friends and family will be shocked, angry and dismayed when we try to speak truth. They will try to shout you down, they will disown you. They will argue and resist.
The lies about WMD are the ones most cited today as that was a lie most of us remember. The truth is though, that power has always lied to us. The Maddox was not attacked by North Vietnamese torpedo boats. There never was a light at the end of the tunnel as Westmorland said about the war ON Vietnam. Spain did not blow up the Maine. Gaddafi was never going to "slaughter his own people". I could go on and on.
Oh absolutely! When I began challenging the narrative that the "homeowners were 'deadbeats' and 'bought too much of a house'," I lost almost all my friends. Then when I challenged the Covid narrative, the remaining friends abandoned me. I now speak with my family (who after 3 years of thinking I was totally losing it, they "got it.") and some people who went through the foreclosure fight with me. It is a lonely existence. So many people think the MSM tells the truth. Just look at the Zapruder film and you can tell there are TWO shooters!
I also found it strange that Mr. Hersh did not allow comments. At first I chalked it up to his age and not having the energy to wade through all the comments or maybe just not giving a shit what people thought of his work. But now I’m not so sure. He seems to be very concerned about the story by the CIA via the NYT. So he obviously wants people to believe his version of events.
I think it really hurt his credibility to not allow discussion of his article.
Hersh is an interesting case, on the one hand he seems to be true believer in the great experiment and American institutions like the CIA, but he also has no problem troubling them. I just saw him call Admiral Kirby "a nice guy" and a "friend". What??
I couldn't agree more. Any story by anyone needs to be subjected to scrutiny and discussion. The comments section, as you know, can be a hell, stupid, even crazed, but it can also be an intellectual cauldron that separates dross from gold.
In my short comment I pointed out that his belief, that a pipeline is hard to find, is not exactly operative as they are actually mathematically delineated on nautical charts.
Another "fact" that I see all over, is the idea that pipeline sabotage would have taken "hundreds of pounds of explosives". I find this unlikely. It's a pipeline, not the *Maginot Line! A shaped charge would work fine, say, 1 kilo of C4. Certainly not the "tonnes" I sometimes hear.
*Fun fact, the Germans invented shaped charges just for the Maginot Line.
"The pipelines are protected by their 2.7- to 4.1-centimeter-thick steel walls and a concrete jacket up to 11 centimeters thick, which also serves as additional weighting; without the concrete, the pipeline would simply be too light and would float."
(the linked article also debunks the ridiculous idea that Nord Stream cannot be repaired. That's just nonsense)
*for my American friends 2.7 centimeters is equal to approximately 1.063 inches and 4.1 centimeters is 1.6142 inches. 11 centimeters is equal to approximately 4.33 inches, not exactly a Panzer eh!
I too wish that St Hersh was what I'd like him to be, rather than who he is.
Re: The type and quantities of demolition materials used to attack the 3 pipelines?
The energy released by those explosives (as an equivalent weight of TNT) was derived from known demolition locations and seismic data. Well informed estimate in close agreement have been published by several unaligned sources.
The information that each of the 3 lines successfully attacked were not merely PUNCTURED as by a simple shaped charge but COMPLETELY SEVERED AT TWO PLACES, with a fully detached length between those cuts making repairs impossible without bringing in new sections of pipeline, cleaning up the cut ends & a great deal of work is also now publicly available.
It took a lot of training, infrastructure and a real commercial/military support team (and a fair sized vessel or ROV) to do what was done.
It was a state actor level attack, not a few patriotic Ukrainians SCUBA diving from a pleasure boat.
Re: "*Fun fact, the Germans invented shaped charges just for the Maginot Line."
Not a fact. A US engineer named Munroe discovered hollow charge effects in 1888 and developed devices using this before the end of the 19th century. He even made ART WORK using the effect for his club's fireplace screens, all before WWI. Shaped charge weapons predate WWII considerably-
So blatant yes, but history has shown us that people will believe anything, if is a bad thing about their enemies, or a good thing about their heroes.
Every single person that I know IRL completely believes the ever changing cover story. They also want war. They don't want to fight in the war, and they might be a little upset to get nuked, but never mind that. War it is.
Torontonians don't like it when I accuse them of being wannabe New York City...and Calgarians wannabe Houston North. One must be carefully taught to be ignorant.
"The expert had more questions about the alleged yacht. “How does a 49-foot sailboat find the pipelines in the Baltic Sea? The pipelines are not that big and they are not on the charts that come with the lease. Maybe the thought was to put the two divers into the water”—not very easy to do so from a small yacht—“and let the divers look for it. How long can a diver stay down in their suits? Maybe fifteen minutes. Which means it would take the diver four years to search one square mile."
Pipelines, undersea cables, any underwater obstruction, are indeed on nautical charts. The need for this is obvious, so this seems like an error to me. They may not "come with the lease" but they are de rigueur, indeed essential for any ship or boat operating on the open seas.
Finding the pipeline was simple, easy.
Here is a link to an official website on Canadian nautical charts (it's the same everywhere) that shows some of the maps symbols used to denote the exact location of underwater pipelines.
"Canadian Chart 1 Symbols, Abbreviations and Terms"
From what I understand, Mark Sleboda works for Russia Today and is simply providing you with the official views of the Russian government.
Hitler killed roughly 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, many in Ukraine. Stalin killed 3.5-5.0 million during the collectivization of agriculture in Ukraine and the famine that followed, which the government did nothing to alleviate. Stalin admitted to Churchill that 10 million “Kulaks” (not just Ukrainians) had died resisting collectivization. This event, the Holodomor, is now widely regarded to have been genocide and has been since the Soviet Union dissolved and official state records have been available to scholars.
When the Germans invaded in 1941 and occupied Ukraine, many Ukrainians naturally looked at the Nazis as liberators. Under Steven Bandera, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) fought a guerrilla war against the Red Army until 1952, helped kill Jews, and ethnically cleansed Poles from the part of pre-war Poland incorporated in post-war Ukraine.
Since Ukraine became independent, some anti-Russian Ukrainians have adopted Banderas and other members of the OUN as national heroes, especially in Western Ukraine (Lviv) where there are few ethnic Russian speakers. The Ultranationalist Svoboda party in Ukraine takes inspiration from the OUN and has members with Fascist ideology and some are anti-Semitic. At their peak, they got about 10% of the vote; but only 2% in the last election. Only 1 out of 400+ members of Parliament is from Svoboda. Fascism and anti-Semitism are a negligible fore in Ukraine today. Looking upon Steven Banderas as an anti-Russian patriot does not mean Ukraine is run by Neo-Nazis. The vast majority of Ukrainians strongly support Zelenskyy, a Jew. However, they also appreciate that members of Svoboda provided some of the best organized demonstrators in the EuroMaidan and the bulk of the volunteers who fought in Eastern Ukraine while the country was getting re-organizated after the Revolution of Dignity.
Putin’s Ukrainian policy is based on the fallacy that a Ukrainian people do not have a separate identity from the Russian people. This is nonsense. The war would have ended quickly if the Ukrainians saw themselves as Russian. Before the seizure of Crimea, the census showed that 70% of the Ukrainian people were born and raised as native Ukrainian speakers. Now many Russian speakers are behind Russian lines and the people are suffering from regular terror missile attacks on cities far from the front line and from war crimes in the areas the Russians initially seized and left. There is zero chance of learning anything realistic about the was from a Russian puppet like Sleboda. If you must, there are plenty of American critics of the war who can provide you with information about the war that isn’t pure propaganda. However, the most effective way to learn is to listen to experts on both sides and then make up your own mind.
If you look at the history of the American intelligence agencies you will find the Dulles Brothers at the center of it all. Their main focus seemed to be making sure U.S.energy companies especially oil and natural gas, would always have access to markets and that competing energy would be kept on a short leash. America made a huge switch to petroleum at the end of World War 2. Everyone bought a car and all the farmers gave up horses and bought tractors.
That was the first big step in Global Warming and making money without regard to environmental outcomes or human health safety. It has been downhill since then. Dulles and the CIA set up Aramco so the US controlled the output of the Saudi oil fields and the money being made. When Nixon took the US off the gold standard and tie the price of oil to the dollar, it put big oil in charge of the world economy.
No one the US voted for any of this. It just came down from on high from the rich kids who run the country.
Thanks. Yes, the Dulles brothers and their lesser known, but hardly less influential sister, *Eleanor, are ground zero on so much evil that redounds until this day. As you say.
*Eleanor Dulles, who held a Harvard Phd in economics, was an economic advisor to several U.S. ambassadors and was also involved in economic policy-making for the United States government. Eleanor also worked for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during her career, providing economic analysis and advice.
Could you provide some references or concrete facts re: Eleanor Dulles and her particular evilness/personally evil activities?
I find her older brother John trying to get her fired from the State Dept. IMMEDIATELY when he had been appointed the Secretary of State to be a mark in her favor... Eleanor went and did manual labor in a metal fabrication factory when she returned from Europe, then did book keeping for another factory, working for a living for several years before pursuing graduate degrees in economics. That is another factor suggesting she might not have been merely playing economic chess with human lives and no empathy for the pawns as her brother did.
As far as I can determine, Allen was the totally amoral one, an intelligent sociopath and quite capable of gaslighting /conning his brother John into whatever he desired. John had a puritanical stick up his ass so far that it was knocking on his incisors and was possible to hornswoggle by abusing his blind spots, as are all true believers. I would like to know how successfully those men could BS their sister? No hiding what you really are from a sister.
The CIA articles that the NYTimes and others published, as divergence to Sy's expose, were ridiculous. I can't remember where I read the total and utter annihilation of that NYT article, with the purported rented small yacht captained by Ukrainians that, of course, Zelensky knew nothing about. The NYT is such a propaganda rag. When I hear purportedly intelligent people believing those obvious spook stories, I just want to tear my hair out!!!
I like to tell people that the NYT has supported every single US war, even the invasion of Panama which killed 6000 people. And for what? To arrest a rogue CIA tool.
That should be all that anyone needs to know! (there's tonnes more dirt on them of course)
It's actually mortifying after living my life totally in a bubble for many years to see how much propaganda we've been spoon-fed. I feel bad for my formerly ignorant self. It took the bankers trying to steal my home to awaken me to the governments crimes and that the government is in bed with actions perpetrated by other crooks, like Wall Street. Jamie Dimon even says in his Annual Report letter that the government is a "silent partner" to JPMC. The U.S. is best at exporting financial crimes and war. Other than that, the U.S. produces nothing.
We live immersed in an ocean of very clever, infinitely repeated lies and deliberate disinformation. Most people don't have the time, or the interest, to try and peel it all back. And if they do try, their friends and family will be shocked, angry and dismayed when we try to speak truth. They will try to shout you down, they will disown you. They will argue and resist.
The lies about WMD are the ones most cited today as that was a lie most of us remember. The truth is though, that power has always lied to us. The Maddox was not attacked by North Vietnamese torpedo boats. There never was a light at the end of the tunnel as Westmorland said about the war ON Vietnam. Spain did not blow up the Maine. Gaddafi was never going to "slaughter his own people". I could go on and on.
Thanks!
Oh absolutely! When I began challenging the narrative that the "homeowners were 'deadbeats' and 'bought too much of a house'," I lost almost all my friends. Then when I challenged the Covid narrative, the remaining friends abandoned me. I now speak with my family (who after 3 years of thinking I was totally losing it, they "got it.") and some people who went through the foreclosure fight with me. It is a lonely existence. So many people think the MSM tells the truth. Just look at the Zapruder film and you can tell there are TWO shooters!
I also found it strange that Mr. Hersh did not allow comments. At first I chalked it up to his age and not having the energy to wade through all the comments or maybe just not giving a shit what people thought of his work. But now I’m not so sure. He seems to be very concerned about the story by the CIA via the NYT. So he obviously wants people to believe his version of events.
I think it really hurt his credibility to not allow discussion of his article.
I went through a similar series of explanations.
Hersh is an interesting case, on the one hand he seems to be true believer in the great experiment and American institutions like the CIA, but he also has no problem troubling them. I just saw him call Admiral Kirby "a nice guy" and a "friend". What??
I couldn't agree more. Any story by anyone needs to be subjected to scrutiny and discussion. The comments section, as you know, can be a hell, stupid, even crazed, but it can also be an intellectual cauldron that separates dross from gold.
In my short comment I pointed out that his belief, that a pipeline is hard to find, is not exactly operative as they are actually mathematically delineated on nautical charts.
Another "fact" that I see all over, is the idea that pipeline sabotage would have taken "hundreds of pounds of explosives". I find this unlikely. It's a pipeline, not the *Maginot Line! A shaped charge would work fine, say, 1 kilo of C4. Certainly not the "tonnes" I sometimes hear.
*Fun fact, the Germans invented shaped charges just for the Maginot Line.
"The pipelines are protected by their 2.7- to 4.1-centimeter-thick steel walls and a concrete jacket up to 11 centimeters thick, which also serves as additional weighting; without the concrete, the pipeline would simply be too light and would float."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/frequent-breaks-in-undersea-pipelines-mean-fixes-are-possible-for-nord-stream/
(the linked article also debunks the ridiculous idea that Nord Stream cannot be repaired. That's just nonsense)
*for my American friends 2.7 centimeters is equal to approximately 1.063 inches and 4.1 centimeters is 1.6142 inches. 11 centimeters is equal to approximately 4.33 inches, not exactly a Panzer eh!
@Bill Owens
I too wish that St Hersh was what I'd like him to be, rather than who he is.
Re: The type and quantities of demolition materials used to attack the 3 pipelines?
The energy released by those explosives (as an equivalent weight of TNT) was derived from known demolition locations and seismic data. Well informed estimate in close agreement have been published by several unaligned sources.
The information that each of the 3 lines successfully attacked were not merely PUNCTURED as by a simple shaped charge but COMPLETELY SEVERED AT TWO PLACES, with a fully detached length between those cuts making repairs impossible without bringing in new sections of pipeline, cleaning up the cut ends & a great deal of work is also now publicly available.
It took a lot of training, infrastructure and a real commercial/military support team (and a fair sized vessel or ROV) to do what was done.
It was a state actor level attack, not a few patriotic Ukrainians SCUBA diving from a pleasure boat.
Re: "*Fun fact, the Germans invented shaped charges just for the Maginot Line."
Not a fact. A US engineer named Munroe discovered hollow charge effects in 1888 and developed devices using this before the end of the 19th century. He even made ART WORK using the effect for his club's fireplace screens, all before WWI. Shaped charge weapons predate WWII considerably-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge
Artificial Intelligence....greatly benificial in physics, engineering, and other sciences.
It should be considered a criminal act to use it in human interaction...AI = THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS!
The Nordstream Pipeline damage is such a blatantly false flag that even Liberals notice.
I believe that government and its mouthpieces should be required to post uncensored comments.
Hi Pete!
So blatant yes, but history has shown us that people will believe anything, if is a bad thing about their enemies, or a good thing about their heroes.
Every single person that I know IRL completely believes the ever changing cover story. They also want war. They don't want to fight in the war, and they might be a little upset to get nuked, but never mind that. War it is.
Torontonians don't like it when I accuse them of being wannabe New York City...and Calgarians wannabe Houston North. One must be carefully taught to be ignorant.
Okay, I will start...
From the article:
"The expert had more questions about the alleged yacht. “How does a 49-foot sailboat find the pipelines in the Baltic Sea? The pipelines are not that big and they are not on the charts that come with the lease. Maybe the thought was to put the two divers into the water”—not very easy to do so from a small yacht—“and let the divers look for it. How long can a diver stay down in their suits? Maybe fifteen minutes. Which means it would take the diver four years to search one square mile."
Pipelines, undersea cables, any underwater obstruction, are indeed on nautical charts. The need for this is obvious, so this seems like an error to me. They may not "come with the lease" but they are de rigueur, indeed essential for any ship or boat operating on the open seas.
Finding the pipeline was simple, easy.
Here is a link to an official website on Canadian nautical charts (it's the same everywhere) that shows some of the maps symbols used to denote the exact location of underwater pipelines.
"Canadian Chart 1 Symbols, Abbreviations and Terms"
https://www.charts.gc.ca/publications/chart1-carte1/sections/l-offsho/submarinepipelines-eng.html#section
From what I understand, Mark Sleboda works for Russia Today and is simply providing you with the official views of the Russian government.
Hitler killed roughly 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, many in Ukraine. Stalin killed 3.5-5.0 million during the collectivization of agriculture in Ukraine and the famine that followed, which the government did nothing to alleviate. Stalin admitted to Churchill that 10 million “Kulaks” (not just Ukrainians) had died resisting collectivization. This event, the Holodomor, is now widely regarded to have been genocide and has been since the Soviet Union dissolved and official state records have been available to scholars.
When the Germans invaded in 1941 and occupied Ukraine, many Ukrainians naturally looked at the Nazis as liberators. Under Steven Bandera, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) fought a guerrilla war against the Red Army until 1952, helped kill Jews, and ethnically cleansed Poles from the part of pre-war Poland incorporated in post-war Ukraine.
Since Ukraine became independent, some anti-Russian Ukrainians have adopted Banderas and other members of the OUN as national heroes, especially in Western Ukraine (Lviv) where there are few ethnic Russian speakers. The Ultranationalist Svoboda party in Ukraine takes inspiration from the OUN and has members with Fascist ideology and some are anti-Semitic. At their peak, they got about 10% of the vote; but only 2% in the last election. Only 1 out of 400+ members of Parliament is from Svoboda. Fascism and anti-Semitism are a negligible fore in Ukraine today. Looking upon Steven Banderas as an anti-Russian patriot does not mean Ukraine is run by Neo-Nazis. The vast majority of Ukrainians strongly support Zelenskyy, a Jew. However, they also appreciate that members of Svoboda provided some of the best organized demonstrators in the EuroMaidan and the bulk of the volunteers who fought in Eastern Ukraine while the country was getting re-organizated after the Revolution of Dignity.
Putin’s Ukrainian policy is based on the fallacy that a Ukrainian people do not have a separate identity from the Russian people. This is nonsense. The war would have ended quickly if the Ukrainians saw themselves as Russian. Before the seizure of Crimea, the census showed that 70% of the Ukrainian people were born and raised as native Ukrainian speakers. Now many Russian speakers are behind Russian lines and the people are suffering from regular terror missile attacks on cities far from the front line and from war crimes in the areas the Russians initially seized and left. There is zero chance of learning anything realistic about the was from a Russian puppet like Sleboda. If you must, there are plenty of American critics of the war who can provide you with information about the war that isn’t pure propaganda. However, the most effective way to learn is to listen to experts on both sides and then make up your own mind.
At the time, I tried to reduce the Nord Stream incident to its essentials with a meme: https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Facce59bc-fa92-43a4-912a-d8cf6406f85e_2048x1365.jpeg – Considering the motive, the means and the beneficiary in this act, the perpetrator jumps right in your face. As for Sy not allowing comments on his articles, I think he is just tired and no longer cares what ordinary people think, say or write. May he be happy with that.
Could interest you . . . The Decline of The West.
https://les7eb.substack.com/
If you look at the history of the American intelligence agencies you will find the Dulles Brothers at the center of it all. Their main focus seemed to be making sure U.S.energy companies especially oil and natural gas, would always have access to markets and that competing energy would be kept on a short leash. America made a huge switch to petroleum at the end of World War 2. Everyone bought a car and all the farmers gave up horses and bought tractors.
That was the first big step in Global Warming and making money without regard to environmental outcomes or human health safety. It has been downhill since then. Dulles and the CIA set up Aramco so the US controlled the output of the Saudi oil fields and the money being made. When Nixon took the US off the gold standard and tie the price of oil to the dollar, it put big oil in charge of the world economy.
No one the US voted for any of this. It just came down from on high from the rich kids who run the country.
Thanks. Yes, the Dulles brothers and their lesser known, but hardly less influential sister, *Eleanor, are ground zero on so much evil that redounds until this day. As you say.
*Eleanor Dulles, who held a Harvard Phd in economics, was an economic advisor to several U.S. ambassadors and was also involved in economic policy-making for the United States government. Eleanor also worked for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during her career, providing economic analysis and advice.
Thanks!
@Bill Owen
Could you provide some references or concrete facts re: Eleanor Dulles and her particular evilness/personally evil activities?
I find her older brother John trying to get her fired from the State Dept. IMMEDIATELY when he had been appointed the Secretary of State to be a mark in her favor... Eleanor went and did manual labor in a metal fabrication factory when she returned from Europe, then did book keeping for another factory, working for a living for several years before pursuing graduate degrees in economics. That is another factor suggesting she might not have been merely playing economic chess with human lives and no empathy for the pawns as her brother did.
As far as I can determine, Allen was the totally amoral one, an intelligent sociopath and quite capable of gaslighting /conning his brother John into whatever he desired. John had a puritanical stick up his ass so far that it was knocking on his incisors and was possible to hornswoggle by abusing his blind spots, as are all true believers. I would like to know how successfully those men could BS their sister? No hiding what you really are from a sister.
That'll do it!
No contradicting the official narrative allowed.
I had to look MacKinder up. He had some very interesting ideas! Thanks!